Vinnie!
Now, for a little back story. Vinnie has a situation in his life that I've been aware of for several months.
We do not see eye to eye on it, for reasons that will be verrrrrrrrrry obvious after you read his story!
Every time I
offer my unsolicited advice in a really loud, in-your-face or as I call it, passionate manner discuss this situation with him, he always says to me "I know, I know, you're right".
Of course I'm right. Have you met me? LOL
So one day I said to him...
you know, maybe you should do a guest blog and ask my readers and see if the majority agrees with me on this subject!He
foolishly bravely said yes.
Today, I am happy to finally present you with his writing. And I ask that you don't hold back in your comments on this post, as at the end of his part of this blog post, I will have my own
flaming diatribe comments to make!
Without further ado...I give you Vinnie. Take it away, pal.
Julie has been asking me to do this for a while. I started a draft a month or so ago but it never was completed. One of my New Year’s resolutions was to write at least 30 minutes everyday. Julie used that to her benefit and suggested I use that resolution for this guest piece. So here I finally am.
I’m in a situation that I will just call unusual…
The end of June last summer I met a couple online (yes exactly for what you’re thinking). I chatted with the wife, we all met and then…
The following week I was invited to an overnight trip with their family to Vegas. The three us went to see a band and danced. On the dance floor she asked me what I was thinking. I said I was thinking how it easy it would be to fall for her but that it was a really bad idea. She agreed and asked if I could handle it and I said I could.
On the ride home I sat in the back with her cuddled up against me the whole time. That was the end of handling it. After that we were seeing each other as much as possible and two weeks later we said those words.
That’s the short story on how it happened.
I thought her husband and she were doing ok but it wasn’t quite what it seemed and in early October she asked for a divorce. Just after that happened her son and her daughter got into some stupid juvenile trouble. Because of that, a judge ordered that no major changes could take place in the kids lives until their probation is over.
Things slowed way down and it got much harder but none of the feelings changed. She’s trying not to rock the boat for the kids sake and at the same time I’m helping with the kids and some financially.
Julie thinks I should be running for the hills.
There’s a part of me that feels that way as well. I’ve been in love several times but I’ve never experienced anything like how I feel now. I could never walk away because of that and because I could never leave her in the state her life is in now. One thing I am is loyal and it just isn’t in me to leave and just let her go down in flames. Besides the fact that I don’t want to leave.
It would be easy to think she’s using me just by hearing what I’ve said but you can’t know that without knowing her. I know in her touch, I see in her eyes the pain that this situation is keeping us apart.
The connection we share is enormously strong. When we’re together it’s like there is nobody else. Nothing else matters at all. And when we’re “together” it has absolutely nothing to do about the sex, it’s being one… I know that sounds like a cheap romance novel but it’s true. I feel like I couldn’t breathe with out her.
Now I’m not a stupid person and I know love can make you do all kinds of crazy things. I’ve been there before. This is different. I’ve gone from cock eyed optimist to over the top pessimist and back to somewhere in between over the last 25 years. But no matter how I feel about life and the world around me at any given moment inside, sometimes buried much too deep, I still want that fairy tale.
I’m a realist but I also believe that the fairy tale is real and out there and I believe I have it right now. This is just the bad part of the story happening before the happy ending. The idea floats into my mind sometimes that I’m the biggest idiot on earth for believing this but if I don’t have faith in this then why bother with everything else?
Is it better to wait for what could be the utmost of happiness or let it go to move on? And I do wonder if by waiting I may be missing out on something else wonderful. And I’ll really put myself out there, by that something else I mean Julie…
I feel like there’s more to say and this may be just one big rambling, insane piece of gobbledygook but I’m going to leave it at this and whatever comments Julie adds. So let’s hear what you have to say. Be honest but at the same time keep your dreams in mind too.
OK...my turn. Don your crash helmets because we're in for a bumpy ride!
The essence of what I have said to Vinnie on numerous occasions is...
Are you fucking kidding me with this??????????
Are you crazy?
Do you honestly think a relationship that starts out as a THREESOME with some strange woman and her husband that you met on the Internet is going to turn into your Last Great Love?????????????? Sure, but ONLY if her husband freaking kills your ass! Then she might have indeed been the last love of your life!
(OK, I never said I was tactful.)
Everyone one of you who knows me, knows that my marriage ended because my husband cheated on me. So you know that this topic is one that I am very passionate about, and I cannot...and will not...EVER have sympathy for anybody who cheats on their spouse. There is no reason for it. If you are so unhappy in your marriage that you have to look outside it for happiness...THEN GET OUT OF IT FIRST.
I don't know this woman, nor do I ever want to. But if my husband had ever come to me and said "Hey, let's go find a guy on the Internet and have a threesome", I'd have recognized right away that our marriage was in deep shit trouble, and said "Hell to the NO" so fast his head would have spun around on his shoulders like a freaking top.
So don't tell me he "made" her do it, or this was the "first time". I don't buy it. And I have to ask a question here...you said
"The following week I was invited to an overnight trip with their family to Vegas." Define "family" for me? If you are telling me that she and her husband took their boy toy (you!) AND THEIR KIDS to Vegas, I am going to flip the fuck out. Because how on earth you would explain to kids that the THREE of you are staying in one room together...and more importantly why any of you adults would subject kids to that situation...is more than my brain can handle. I pray you don't say her kids were involved, because I will fly to Arizona and kick some ass like you would not believe. Starting with yours.
The fact remains that you need to get out of their marriage
now. You are in interloper into a place you do not belong. I don't care if you were invited in, you need to get the hell out. Whatever is happening between them, whether it's a divorce or not, is THEIR business, and you have no right to be in the middle of it. Come on, Vinnie...you have more respect for the institute of marriage than that. Would you want somebody insinuating himself into yours?
As for a judge telling her...no...
ordering her to make no changes until probation is over...are you kidding me with this? Unless I saw the court order forbidding her from taking herself and her children out of what you tell me is a bad home situation, then I don't buy that AT ALL.
"Hey Judge, my kids are acting out and turning into juvenile delinquents because my husband is a jerk and makes our life at home a living hell and they can't stand being around him".
Aw, too bad, lady. You need to suck it up and keep yourself and those kids in that ugly home life and suffer it out. No getting a divorce and putting your kids in a more stable environment to keep them out of trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, I just don't buy that at all.
So meanwhile, what we have here is a woman who tells you she wants to get a divorce, yet stays with her husband because a judge says she has to. Meanwhile, she continually dumps her kids on you to babysit, and you pay her bills and contribute financially to her household...yeah, the one that includes HER HUSBAND. And you tell me it's because she can't pay her bills and she needs your help. Which bears the question, who paid her bills before you came along?
Listen, I understand believing in the fairy tale. After all I've been through, I still believe that there is more than one chance to live happily ever after. But Vinnie, I don't think this is it. And I hate to see you wasting your life (and your time AND your finances) on this woman, waiting for her to leave her husband and do what, come and ride off into the sunset with you?
Why would you want to spend forever with a woman who cheats on her husband????????? Who has no respect for marriage, and no integrity when it comes to keeping her vows?
You said "When we’re together it’s like there is nobody else.". Well, I hate to tell you,pal, but there is somebody else, and he's showing no intention of getting a divorce and handing his wife over to you. He has no idea his marriage is in trouble, at least not to the extent she leads you to believe it is. Trust me on this one...my husband made a big show of telling his affair how we weren't compatible, he'd been wanting to divorce me for months, we never had sex, I was this horrible bitch who made his life a living hell...you know the drill. The same thing every person who is cheating tells the person they are cheating with. Because they will never be honest and say "Actually, (s)he is a great person, I'm just being a lowlife scum by cheating on someone I vowed to love for the rest of my life, and destroying everything we have".
Wow, I've rambled on longer than Vinnie's post, haven't I? Before you guys start thinking I could have toned this down a little, just know that I have said nothing here that I haven't already said to Vinnie on many occasions. He's known me long enough now to know that I don't sugarcoat anything, especially when it comes to this particular topic!!!!!
One last thing I have to address is this:
Is it better to wait for what could be the utmost of happiness or let it go to move on? And I do wonder if by waiting I may be missing out on something else wonderful. And I’ll really put myself out there, by that something else I mean Julie…
The short answer is...yes, it's better to move on. IF she really is this great love for you, then give her the room she needs to stand on her own two feet and walk out of her marriage
because her marriage is over, and not because you want her to. If she's your last great love then you have (God willing) a lifetime to love her. But she has unfinished business to attend to, and at this juncture she doesn't seem to be highly motivated to finish it. If she really wanted out of her marriage, she'd get out of it. Period. She has you to fall back on, to help her take care of her kids and to support her financially and emotionally. She can petition the court to allow the judge to lift the "order" (yeah, I'm being very sarcastic with that!) to allow her to make positive changes in her children's lives. She could file for divorce on the grounds of extreme cruelty if she had to.
But she has to make those moves, and until then you should not be sitting back, miserable and in pain and watching life pass you by, waiting for her to do it. You may be waiting a very long time.
Lastly, I would be remiss if I did not say this to you....
Vinnie, you know that I think you are a wonderful man. You've become very dear to me this last few months. I count you among my blogging friends who I hope to meet this year! Yes, I believe that by waiting on her, you may be missing out on many wonderful things...but I'm not one of them. I am not a factor in this decision, nor do I want to be. (And should I be offended that I'm second choice behind somebody's cheating wife????) You and I have no idea if we'd even like each other in person...and I live 2,000 miles or more away from you. But most importantly, I don't want to be your consolation prize. If we ever had a relationship, it would be solely because we wanted to...not because somebody else didn't want to be with you.
On that note, I'm going to open this up to my readers. Don't let my diatribe sway your thoughts and feelings on the subject at hand. I'll post all comments, as I always do. Vinnie is aware that some may not be nice, and of course I don't expect you all to agree with my point of view either...
And please, don't be afraid to be a guest blogger for me in the future. I really won't rip everyone's head off like I did Vinnie's here! :::smooch::: Sorry, hon.
OK let's open up the phone lines and see what you all have to say. Go ahead, caller...